A couple of other blogs I follow reminded me that today, November 9, is Carl Sagan’s birthday. He was born in 1934 and passed on December 20, 1996. As I recall, in the ’70s and ’80s the portion of unmanned space missions that approached another body in our solar system was described as an encounter. In 1974, I had a brief encounter with the great astronomer and educator, Carl Sagan.
In the Spring of that year Sagan delivered a guest lecture at the college I attended. Although I was not a science major, space exploration was by far the subject I was most interested in. That period was just a few years after the Moon landings and the age of unmanned interplanetary exploration was kicking into high gear.
In 1972 the Pioneer 10 mission blasted off followed by Pioneer 11 in 1973. Pioneers 10 and 11 were headed for fly-by rendezvouses with Jupiter and Jupiter and Saturn, respectively. Those spacecraft were the first man-made objects destined to leave our solar system and enter interstellar space.
In 1974, preparations were well underway on the next missions to the gas giants of the outer solar system. Voyagers I and II were scheduled to launch in 1977. Voyager I was headed to Jupiter and Saturn. Voyager II was tasked with accomplishing the “Grand Tour,” close encounters with Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, and Uranus on a single mission.
Carl Sagan and his wife at the time, Linda Salzman Sagan, were intimately involved with various aspects of all of those missions. When I learned Carl Sagan would be speaking, there was no way I was going to miss it.
Sagan’s 1974 lecture that I attended was devoted primarily to the Voyager missions. It was held in the college’s fanciest, recently remodeled lecture hall with a seating capacity of just less than 200. It was a standing-room-only event. Sagan was a very well-known figure although his popularity had yet to achieve the rock-star status it would hit with his many appearances on The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson and especially after his hit TV show Cosmos, which debuted in 1980.
Here is a YouTube video of one of Sagan’s appearances on The Tonight Show. You can get a sense of Sagan’s charisma and unique manner of speaking that made him such a great communicator and inspirational figure. I just wonder how a kid who grew up in Brooklyn developed such an accent.
For the lecture, I had a seat near the back of the room and listened intently along with everyone else. As I recall, Sagan focused on the Voyager missions and his theories on the existence of and search for extraterrestrial life.
I Met Carl Sagan And Asked A Dumb Question
After the lecture I and a handful of others waited around and were able to speak with Sagan face to face. My question related to the cover of the Golden Record that was affixed to each Voyager spacecraft. The cover shows the location of Earth. (Earth’s location also was on Pioneers 10 and 11.)
I asked that since any civilization that found the Voyagers would be travelling in interstellar space and would be vastly superior technologically to Earth, was it wise to put Earth’s location on the records as there was the chance (even if a small one) that a civilization that finds a Voyager might come to Earth and do harm? Certainly that has been the historical experience on Earth when a civilization with superior technology contacts a civilization that is not nearly as technologically advanced.
My question could be taken in an offensive manner but I asked respectfully and was pretty sure there was a good answer that I hadn’t thought of. Sagan calmly responded in the same manner he displayed on the Tonight Show video. Basically, he said the Voyagers were revealing nothing because the Voyagers would never get farther from Earth than 10 light years (I think was the exact number he used), and radio and TV signals, which travel at light speed, have already gone much farther than that.
Sagan answered the question on the level at which I asked it, but he didn’t provide the real answer. For if alien civilizations can detect TV and radio broadcasts, then the Golden Record, which contain sounds and images selected to portray the diversity of life and culture on Earth, serves no purpose. Alien civilizations would know everything about Earth from our broadcasts before they might come across any of our spacecraft and the pitifully small
+ amount of information contained on the Golden Record.
A lot of effort went into choosing the information to include on the Golden Record. Sagan chaired the NASA committee that selected the content. The process took more than a year. The record’s assorted contents include photographs of people and animals, places, diagrams, a variety of musical works including classical, rock, blues, folk music from many cultures and whale song, spoken greetings in 55 languages, a message from President Carter, and interestingly a recording of the brain waves of Ann Druyan, an Emmy award winning producer and director who was a member of the selection committee and later became Sagan’s third and final wife.
Was it all just a publicity stunt to garner interest in and funding for the space program? After all the saying is: “No bucks, no Buck Rogers.” If that were the case, I’d be fine with it even though payload on interplanetary probes is precious.
Sagan’s purpose was much more than generating publicity and funding I believe. Given the fact that other civilizations might be seeing and hearing our TV and radio broadcasts, Sagan may have wanted to put together a compendium of information that represents the finer things Earth is capable of rather than the inane stuff that fills our airwaves.
At any rate, I thought I would share this story. Thanks to Swabby429, and Luisa Zambrotta for reminding me, and Happy Birthday Carl Sagan.
thanks for sharing John. A man to look up to.
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I enjoyed reading your article and the video. Sagan seems to be an agnostic based on your comments.
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I think that is how he would describe himself. Thanks for your comment.
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You’re welcome.
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What a great experience!
Thank you for linking to my post
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Thanks to your post I learned about Sagan’s birthday. Your post brought back memories of a brush with a great man.
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I’m really glad my post helped you remember and gave us the opportunity to read YOUR very interesting post ❤
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I just found out that when he was in high school, Sagan raised the same issue I presented to him. Here is the excerpt from Wikipedia:
“Before the end of high school, he entered an essay contest in which he posed the question of whether human contact with advanced life forms from another planet might be as disastrous for people on Earth as it was for Native Americans when they first had contact with Europeans.[15] The subject was considered controversial, but his rhetorical skill won over the judges, and they awarded him first prize.[15]”
I wish I could find out what the essay concluded about the issue. Another article states:
“[The renowned astronomer] Carl Sagan figured any aliens that might be able to travel between the stars would be so advanced that they would be beyond all this business of aggression and war and so forth,” Shostak said. “But that may just be a projection of what he hopes humans would do eventually.”
https://www.webcitation.org/6DA6WHGEV?url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/29/space-alien-encounter_n_1389896.htm
Also in the video clip I included in the post, at about the 9:15 mark Sagan elaborates on the issue of TV signals being received by extraterrestrials.
I’ll never forget my brief encounter with Sagan. Thanks for linking to my post. Have a wonderful day!
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I thank you very much for this valuable comment. The ideas you propose are really interesting and fascinating.
I tell you again that you vere lucky: the experience of that encounter with Sagan must have been wonderful and rewarding
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Sorry for the long winded response. Sagan was one of my heroes.
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🙏 😊 🙏 😊 🙏 😊 🙏
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Hello.
You met Carl Sagan! My hat. Well, I think that there exist peaceful civilizations in the universe. scientists, linguists, botanists, etc. Thank you.
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Meeting Sagan was one of the highlights of my life. Thanks for reading and commenting!
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Really interesting, I hadn’t been familiar with this guy and his work. Thanks for the window!
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My pleasure, Leighton. Sagan was very well known back in the day. I just scratched the surface on his works and contributions.
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And there was “Pale Blue Dot.”
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Pale Blue dot wa sone of Sagan’s most popular books. I never read it but would like to. One of the comments here reminded me that Sagan also wrote Contact. I’d forgotten even though I read the book and watched the movie several times. It is an outstanding science fiction movie.
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Great story about Carl Sagan. I always enjoyed his version of Cosmos. Very enlightening man. Allan
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He made astronomy understandable even for me.
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♡ ‘Contact’ ~ Movie with Jodie Foster as Ellie; don’t worry ‘They’ know what They ARE DOING
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Contact is a great movie! It leaves the questions unanswered.
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♡ …and 20 minutes of White Noise on Ellies Video Recorder; it’s interesting that ALL The Religious Folk ARE Faith and Conviction Based but Did NOT!!! Believe Ellie
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Here is a quote from Sagan in 1981:
“An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists. To be certain of the existence of God and to be certain of the nonexistence of God seem to me to be the confident extremes in a subject so riddled with doubt and uncertainty as to inspire very little confidence indeed.”
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♡ …and the “existence” of Goddess; please SHARE!!! YOUR!!! THOUGHTS!!! on why SHE!!! Our Lady, Mother Nature, Doesn’t Exist when “God” Does Exist in YOUR!!! Mind 🤔 ?
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I agree with Sagan. There is reasonable doubt on both sides.
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I forgot that Sagan wrote the book and that the movie Contact was dedicated to him.
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Thank you for writing about your encounter with Dr. Sagan. Your question about the possibility of an advanced civilization traveling to our planet was a fair one. In fact, Alternate history buffs and futurists have been wondering about this scenario for many years.
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Maybe I had been watching too many Star Trek episodes. Just about everyone assumes technologically superior aliens are benevolent, but that is just an assumption. No one knows what their motivations might be. Thanks for inspiring my post.
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Except for Klingons.
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And those darn Romulans. 😄
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♡ Worf, a Human/Klingon Hybrid and Spock, a Vulcan/Hybrid both of whom suffered from prejudice then prevailed
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They did indeed.
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♡ The Basis of “Star Trek’is Starfleet HQ on Earth
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